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Don't think your understanding my reply to your test…not saying you can't shoot or reload, just saying that the what you experienced is not a good test if you are critiquing accuracy from one stock to another and giving advice to the OP's question
The CTR stock has a different barrel channel than the SL stock…the pinch point in front of the action is different, this little change will mean the difference in how the rifle will group if a load as been developed for 1 specific combo…we should be able to agree on that. And torque settings from 1 stock to another even being equal will not alway produce the same results with groups.
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You can always install QD mounts in the stock…pretty easy with Epoxy.
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Can you include all your data for the OAL and how much you are seating the bullet off the lands…thx.
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I thought I needed/wanted to bed and free float the bbl on my superlite because of sporadic groups with a bullet I really hoped it would shoot. Loads would show promise, but were hard to back up. Before taking the plunge on the factory stock I swapped the bbl'd action in my CTR therefore floating the bbl. It grouped worse, not terrible, but clearly worse. It's back in it's original stock, and with a change to a better bullet the load development work was easy.
The gun has shot numerous 3 shot groups in the .1's , with the best being 5 into .188 . I consider my load a 1/4″ load on a good load development day with no wind to speak of. My vote is put it back an unaltered factory stock.
Its interesting you have experienced these results…sort of the opposite of what me and others have seen.
I have to defend that free floating the barrel does work for a gun that won't group…we proven it over and over again.I have to challenge how you tested your theory and then gave advice based on a bad test…
– its seems you have worked up loads for your 223 (guessing from your other post) specific to a factory stock and harmonics, meaning you have done no work with your barrel channel or any other mods, so most likely your barrel is pinched…you have specifically worked up loads based on this stock.
– taking this barrelled action and placing into a CTR stock which is most likely “almost” free floated to the action is not a good test at all…the stock harmonics will be completely different and it will not group the same at all…This should stand out to you as not being a true test…The advice we have given guys over and over…”if it shoots well factory, don't mess with it”…but if its shoots poor and and you are looking to achieve the most repeatable accuracy start with free floating the barrel and develop loads…Especially in the larger calibers where we have found this has greatly helped.
I can't speak for everyone and there are so many variables to why a factory gun does not shoot well, but most times its actually the shooter and the lack of knowledge to understanding what is exactly going on with the rifle and the ability to make small changes that will improve the gun.
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Pretty much mirrors my results with .030 jump and Varget. I'd run the same test with 24grs & 24.5grs just to see what happens…
I settled on 24.3grs for my final load because its pretty much exactly right in the middle of an accuracy node with very little POI shift +/- charge weight.
Well done,…that's a solid MOA performer out to 1000yrds if conditions allow you to shoot that far.
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you most likely have mag that is not feeding properly because the spring tension and angle of follower is off, causing your problem…
If the gun has fed rounds with no issues at 1 point then it can only be mag related…if it was not feeding rounds right out of the box then you could have more going on…
What happens if you just drop a round in the action on top of an empty mag? Single loading…
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I just noticed that you previously mentioned you had a “walnut stock”…if you cut it you should have no problem drilling new holes but you will have to fit a new butt pad…Get a Limbsaver, you should be able to find one that will closely match the new cut profile…just keep in mind these are approximate 1” thick.
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This is turning in to pretty good entertainment…can't help but take a look at new post…
But i wish this was deleted and forgotten about…its first class nonsense now. -
The screws should be phillips…
I've seen the stock for sale, take a look and see what you can find.
Boyds Stock is also an option, just call them and tell them the custom LOP you want… should cost you about
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You won't find another option other then to cut it…We've cut several before but you will ruin the screw holder inside the stock…you will need to epoxy the butt pad to the stock with a spacer that will insert into the stock…
Or you can see if anyone has a T3 Compact stock for sale…The Lop is .75-1″ shorter than a regular T3…
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From everything I've seen going on with the mags, it seems to related to the internal spring and floor plate.
It just simply wears out if over compressed for too long and throws everything off the worse it gets.Its not great mag…pretty shitty actually for what they cost.
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I can appreciate your new post…but honestly we are beating a dead horse here.
LET IT GO! you will feel better…It was a bad experience, just forget about it, move on and let other people follow their own paths.I'm sure others will report back if they experience the same service.
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Try Barnes TTSX 168gr….shoots really well for factory ammo in my buddies gun.
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What gun you shooting and what ammo you using to test accuracy?
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So, you were blatantly rude to Waters because of YOUR mistakes and because you were too cheap to pay for a decent delivery service. And, being such a hot shot expert at sales, you believe “customer service” is Waters being in control of the postal service… Then you abused Waters because of your mistakes and because you lack patience. Please tell me your company so I never buy off them or you. I suppose you hate Trump and voted for Hillary last election, then sprout off about your Tikka? You are an idiot!
Welcome to the forum! I @%$& love this guy… blunt honesty at its best!
This thread should actually be delated by the admins…Dave doesn't need anymore haters bringing up the past.
